Ep. 154 – Should I File First?

Jeff 00:00
Hello, everybody out there. We had a listener right into us and asked a question. And the question was, is there an advantage to filing for divorce? First, great question. So that’s what we’re going to be talking about. So if you’re ready for Episode 154, let’s get started.

Doreen 00:28
Are you ready to create a life that’s better than ever before? We are Doreen Yaffa and Jeff Wilson, and we are here to give you the strategies you need to create the life after divorce that you deserve, and desire. As partners, both in marriage and coaching. We use our expertise as well as our own personal experiences to help you make the next chapter of your life, the best chapter.

Doreen 01:01
Hey, Jeff.

Jeff 01:02
Hey, Doreen, how are you?

Doreen 01:03
I’m doing great. I’m doing great.

Jeff 01:06
Yes, you are. Looking good over there.

Doreen 01:10
Well, Happy, happy morning. Yeah, it’s rather early, but we are recording and yeah, it’s gonna be a great week.

Jeff 01:19
I like starting off the day with recording.

Doreen 01:21
I do too.

Jeff 01:22
Get the, get the word out there.

Doreen 01:24
Absolutely. So I know that we’re going to talk today about whether or not there’s an advantage to filing first. Yeah. I think that’s a question that comes up often. You know, people want to know, there’s, there’s so we’re going to talk about it from the legal standpoint. You know, from the lawyer standpoint, so I’ll give you some advice on that. And we’re going to talk about from the coaching standard standpoint.

Jeff 01:51
Coaching side too. And I think that if there’s a lot of people have these questions, there’s probably some people out there that have it in their mind that aren’t asking the question.

Doreen 02:01
Yeah. So I think the first thing to talk about is we’ve done a lot of podcast episodes, and our clients are doing a lot of work sometimes on, am I ready to file to get divorced, not even filing, just ready for the divorce? Do I really want to get divorced? Sometimes you don’t have to ask the question because your spouse has filed for divorce has told you that he or she wants to divorce. But many times I think we deal with clients who either come to see me for a consultation or in life coaching that are really first working, of course, on the decision. Do I want to be divorced? So we’re not talking about that we’re really gonna focus in on who should file first. Is there an advantage to filing the petition first?

Jeff 02:54
Not necessarily who, but why you first.

Doreen 02:58
So I think that once you’ve made that decision, if your marriage is over, you know, you’ve done that work, then I think one of the first things to consider is why are you waiting? If you are, and that really goes back to I think some coaching issues, right? Right. Like, if you’re waiting, and you’ve made a decision, look, there’s never going to be a right time, you’re not going to wake up one morning and say, Hey, listen, today, I definitely am going to file like, it’s a big decision. Right? So we we know that our brains are going to go to that, that resistance.

Jeff 03:38
So we’ve spoken about the primitive brain loves that comfort zone. And whenever I hear the word, wait, procrastinate, or I’ll do it someday. Or maybe, maybe someday I’ll be live on that island. It’s got to be the permanent brain. So the primitive brain will always take that safe comfort zone path that leads you to not have to do anything difficult.

Doreen 04:08
Absolutely. And understandable. I mean, its job is to protect you and to keep you safe.

Jeff 04:14
Well, yeah, the bottom line is, you know, seeking pleasure and, you know, in any in the easy way out.

Doreen 04:20
So it wants to keep you safe. And that includes being in a bad situation, right? I mean, how many things do if you think about it, that you do in life that you have going on that you could do better that you know, you want to do better? You know what’s right, you know, what’s good for you, you know, what you need to do to achieve goals, or it’s easy to figure it out. It’s what we call reverse engineering things, right? And I like to use exercises everybody knows or weight loss as an example because people can just equate that right. So same thing when you’re filing for divorce is like the first part of the work is why are you waiting. And that’s something that look if any of the listeners out there are in that Limbo stage. And this was like I said, this is not an easy decision, you’ve got generally kids involved. You’ve got, you know, years invested in your marriage, commitments to your marriage, religious beliefs, whatever it is family, financial issues, all the things that your primitive brain will tell you are the reasons why you you shouldn’t file, you have to work through each of those. And you, Jeff have recently coached certain people who you’ve kept their marriage together working through those decisions. No, they’ve made a decision after looking at whether they should divorce or not as to whether they should stay married. And I think there’s two in particular, that I know, right off the top of my head that they’ve worked through it, and they’re staying together, at least for now.

Doreen 04:33
Yes, well, they did the work that we coached them on. And when they did the change the things that they wanted to do for themselves, they realized that the issues were within themselves in the decisions, whether to divorce or not, was within themselves. They made that decision consciously, to stay married and do the work to on themselves to stay married.

Doreen 06:25
And I know that when you worked with these, these couple of clients recently, and we discussed, you know, because we always discuss our clients, that it’s, it’s goes back to the manual, you know, we’ve done episodes on the manual, which is, another person isn’t going to make you happy, like they might do things that make you happy. But overall, you can’t rely on somebody’s adults to make your own happiness to find your own happiness. So I think a lot of the work, just to summarize, when you’re deciding to marry or not deals around, finding your own piece, we always talk about not leaving any situation, whether it’s a marriage, it’s changing careers, it’s moving. Whatever it looks like without first finding peace and happiness where you are. So listen, if you’re dealing with that, call Jeff, he’s going to, you’re going to get a complimentary coaching session on it, and why not get some clarity? So you know, just go ahead and reach out and give us a call at our website. And you could schedule your your appointment on that. So let’s go back.

Jeff 07:29
Well would like first goes back to the original question, why are you waiting? Let’s figure this out.

Doreen 07:35
Big decision. Big decision.

Jeff 07:37
Yeah. But let’s go back to the original question. If you do decide that this is for you, I want to divorce, what’s the, what’s going on with fine?

Doreen 07:45
Let me just first so weird when you just said that you said I want to if you want a divorce, nobody wants a divorce. But let’s get that square first. I mean, like, you don’t nobody wants to be in a place to deal with a divorce. Right? Everybody, at least most people out there, the people that I don’t know, I would think most people go into a marriage truly wanting the marriage to work, you know, the happily ever after, which is a whole other podcast episode. But getting married forever spending your life with someone being in love. Like we all go into it that way. So nobody wants a divorce. But when you’ve decided that this marriage has come to an end, it’s ran its course doesn’t mean it’s a failure. It just means that it’s time to move on to something different for whatever reasons, right? Without judgment, this is where we are.

Jeff 08:35
So look at it this way. If you want to get in shape, and you want the body that you’re dreaming of nobody wants to do the work. Nobody wants to do the workout and have the pain in the muscles, and the out of breath when you’re doing cardio, but it’s worth it. So that goes exactly to the divorce. If you know that the divorce is going to make you a better person, have you have a better life than the work has to be done?

Doreen 09:02
I don’t think anybody knows it’s going to make them a better person, like for sure. But if you do the work, you know that what is going on currently in your marriage isn’t working? Or maybe there’s something going on in your marriage. That is unacceptable, right? Like I will no longer accept this behavior. I’ll give you an example. It could be, you know, maybe verbal abuse or even physical abuse. And it’s gotten to the point where it’s no longer tolerable. It’s like no longer am I going to accept that you move on. Right. And I have other circumstances that I could come up with but focusing here, the first thing we want to tell you about filing first is you’re not going to die. Meaning what I mean by that is that we talk about the pain, right? Nobody wants to encounter the pain. And when you file for divorce, there’s that there’s that finality I have oh, the divorce now is filed in the Court. It started. The petition for divorce has been filed. And it is a public record. It is a public record. Now, I will tell you that, at least in Florida, so all the law that I give you advice on, obviously, I’m a Florida Lord lawyer, but probably very similar in other states. And so you can ask your lawyers there. But just because you file for divorce doesn’t mean that you have to serve the person with the petition right away. In Florida, we have 120 days to serve someone. And so while it’s a public record, and yes, you could find it, if you look it up, you have time also to serve the person, right serve your spouse. And there’s reasons that lawyers want to potentially wait to do that to get more ducks in a row. But the first thing is when I say it won’t kill you, or you won’t die from it is that yes, it’s painful, but you can do hard things. Right? The first step is filing. That’s the first step in saying I’ve made a decision. It’s final in the sense I’m moving forward, right. And I’m filing for the divorce. And I think with that comes some a lot of a relief to you know how you make a decision, even when it’s a decision you don’t want to make and you’re just like, right, that that release of like, okay, now I have a direction?

Jeff 11:29
Well, they always said that first step to any goal is the most difficult step. It’s like, what do they say the heaviest weight in the gym is the front door. So you know, whenever you take that first step, it’s not only get you motivated and get you in motion to do the work that you need to do. But it also it also kind of gives you a little bit of sense of pride that you took this took the step that was necessary for something that you really want.

Doreen 11:59
I think it’s just like you’ve made a decision, you’re no longer living in limbo, you’re able to move on with your life. No, it’s not easy, but you moved on. The other thing I want to say is that there’s no way around the pain, right? You just have to go right through it. It’s like when I said you’re not going to die from it, what I mean is that you will get to the other side of this. We know because of what we do 30 years practicing family law, you and us as certified divorce coaches, really coaches of life, you know, life coaches, that you will get passes. And in fact, if you do the work correctly, we can show you how you can turn your divorce into amazing meaning that this can be a platform, a way a boost, to now create a new life. And that’s part of the work that we do as coaches is we work with our clients on using the divorce as the energy fuel to create amazing from. So something else. The other thing is with children, you know, children, I just want to mention this because while we’re not experts in psychology or children issues, from what I understand, in my own readings in my own research is children want closure well as well. They see that mom and dad are not getting along, they probably have heard the D word, the divorce word. They know they see that they are involved in this. And when you file for divorce, you’re helping them to realize you’re moving forward that this current existence for them, which usually is not a good situation If your marriage is failing, even under the best of situations, right, where people are living in an environment where it’s really, you know, tolerable and and toxic. No, it’s not toxic. The best case scenario best case. No, I’m sorry, the children just want to know they have a direction. And it’s kind of you know, many times we’ve heard, especially from older children, that oh, thank you, you know, thank you so much, mom for filing for the divorce and moving forward.

Jeff 14:10
I’m sure in your 30 years, or close to 30 years experience. You have countless examples of people that not only have thrived after divorce, but also where the kids have really done much better since divorce.

Doreen 14:28
Of course, you know, we all have this well, many of us have this mindset of this perfect marriage, including what it looks like for the children. And the reality is when the marriage is done in the marriage is over and it’s not working and you’re not showing up as your best self and that’s really where I think there’s a pure indication of this. This is not working anymore when you’re not being your best self and you know what I’m talking about out there. Okay. Yeah, but the kids the kids thrive the kids We’ll do okay. The kids. Look, my kids are a prime example of that. That, you know, we went through a divorce and they were all under the age of what? 10? So 10, eight, six, I should say. And they are thriving. We just had dinner at my ex husband’s house for Fourth of July with because his brother was there. You know, his new wife was there, their baby was there. Other children were there, my kids were all there. We went to his house to celebrate Fourth of July, because it’s about the children. It’s about family. And I know that’s an extreme for a lot of people. Okay. And I know that that’s not a reality. But it can be. Not always. But many times, that’s more work we can do in coaching with you and what that looks like, but the kids are doing fine. They’re doing great. They understand they have two parents that just didn’t want to be married. But we still love them. And, you know, we created a life for them in our houses separately and together where they flourish.

Jeff 15:59
Like you said, that may be an extreme example, I think, because more often than not, I think it happens more often than people realize. But the point that we’re trying to make is getting them out of a toxic situation, get them out of a bad marriage is much better than sticking around and putting them through it.

Doreen 16:21
Well remember that, you know, children learn by way of their examples. And so even if you don’t have what you just said, a toxic relationship, but you have a loveless marriage, do you want your children to follow that as an example for their future relationships?

Jeff 16:42
Right, that’s a great question. Would would you want your child to marry like somebody..

Doreen 16:48
Because children do that they look for similar. And so I think one of the reasons to file is for your children. Let’s talk about the next thing. Life is short. Right?

Jeff 16:59
Not a dress rehearsal.

Doreen 17:00
This is not a dress rehearsal. So what are you waiting for to get on with your next best life?

Jeff 17:05
Yeah, I mean, you know, if we have one life to live, which we do know is. We have one life to live, and counting every second, every minute counts.

Doreen 17:19
It does.

Jeff 17:20
Okay. So if we can guarantee you then your next life to be what is the best life coming up? You should seek that immediately. Why wait? It’s like we said, why wait?

Doreen 17:35
Yes, I think that when you say seek it immediately, yes. But after you’ve done the work to decide that you want to be divorced first. That’s the first step. That’s the first step. And so when you made that decision, or the decision was thrown upon you now it’s time to just make it happen. You know, I have a lot of people that come to see me for a consultation, and their spouse has asked for the divorce, but they haven’t filed. Because the spouse is living in limbo world, the spouse is dealing with their primitive brain who says, Yeah, I really want a divorce. And I told my wife, I want a divorce. But I don’t want to deal with the finances. I don’t want to give half of the assets away. I don’t want to have to pay alimony, what about the child support and they, they don’t file. And so now you’re living in a household where you’re, let’s say, in this example, your husband has told you he wants a divorce. He’s out doing what he wants, or maybe he’s just like, totally distant, and he hasn’t filed, pull off the band aid file forum. If the decision is he wants to divorce and he doesn’t want to go to marriage counseling, and it’s over and you probably know it’s over to file.

Jeff 18:47
Now, here’s what’s going to happen. As soon as you do that, your prefrontal cortex is going to take over because now you have a goal and have direction, then you can start to plan what you need to plan.

Doreen 19:02
Get your ducks in the row.

Jeff 19:03
Get your ducks in a row. Or it could be you getting advantage of the situation, and getting that ready and organizing your legal team. I mean, there’s a lot of things that when your your prefrontal cortex takes over, then you’re gonna be a lot more motivated because you’re getting organized and planning.

Doreen 19:23
Yeah, now you can start to really work towards your future. And this is where coaching, like look at my law firm here in Boca Raton, Florida Yaffa Family Law Group where we do high end litigation boutique. You know, family law, mostly divorces and then I have another law firm which is split up which does uncontested divorces here in Florida. We focus in on a holistic approach. So and we focus in on what needs to be done from the legal aspect but we also focus in on making sure that our clients with the coaching have the assets have available resource versus for coaching. And we care about that. That is part of our goal for our clients. That is part of our culture in our firm, but not all law firms are like that. In fact, I would venture to say most family lawyers are not like that. So having a coach, and or therapists, as you’re going through the divorce, once you file, have that person in place, this is not a time to start saving dollars. This is a time to put the money in and the resources and to give you the best chance for success. So get your team in place, right? Let’s start start the recovery process. It’s not only about getting your ducks in a row, right? So we talked about getting out of limbo, filing for that divorce, and all the reasons about Life is short. Let’s get on to your next life. Now we’re talking about the recovery process. Yes, there is a recovery process to this event to divorce. People equate it therapists experts equate divorce, similar to death, because you are, it’s a death of a marriage, I don’t want to think about it as a death, I think it could be also a celebration of a marriage, because there were good times, there were beautiful things that happen, maybe children you have, that’s a beautiful thing.

Doreen 19:53
Some people look at a death as a celebration of life. And I think that when you consider your future, your recovery, something that’s going to be amazing.

Doreen 21:31
But working towards the recovery now is part of why you file first is because you get it going? It’s gonna take time and no two clients come to us for what they need. As far as the support getting through the divorce, the same, it there are a lot of factors going on. And so it really needs to be your tailor your your recovery process needs to be tailored to your situation, right one on one understandings.

Jeff 22:00
What are your needs. And that’s why it’s important that when you are, you have set that goal and you’ve started the filing, and you’re restarting the recovery process, that you have that support team, whether it’s a coach, family or friends, but you want to set that all up for yourself so that recovery processes goes smoothly.

Doreen 22:21
Now let’s turn to some illegal benefits. Right? We’ve talked a lot about the life coaching the the emotional benefits, the goal setting the starting your new life, the recovery to you? Well, I want to talk about setting, you know, when you file for divorce, you are setting that date as the cutoff date for assets and liabilities, which means simply that that is the date that at least again in Florida, at that the court is going to look at at for valuing assets. Now, that doesn’t mean all assets, because some are passive appreciated X assets, such as you know, if you have a stock portfolio, even a home, the market changes, it fluctuates. So the valuation date will change. But many times you want to file because let’s say you’re going to bring on new clients, and your your those clients are going to bring X amount of dollars and well, you do you want your spouse to be part of 50% of whatever that looks like as far as income that’s coming to you. Because once you file now, at least in Florida, everything that you earn after that date is your dollars. It’s no longer a marital asset. Right? So it’s really important that you consider that and you discuss the issues of your assets, specifically with your lawyer in your state. So you can make a decision do I file first? Or don’t I? do I file today and why? So that’s a legal reason. The other reason is liabilities, right? Again, liabilities are real irrespective in Florida as to the name on the card, the credit card, it’s a marital liability. So you cut that off, too. So if your spouse is out spending money on things, maybe even unrelated to the marriage, right, just vacations and items, and whatever it looks like you don’t want to be paying for that. So file, file. That way you can at least say look, I’m not responsible for that. You want to go buy yourself a new car more power to you don’t take it from my marital assets, which is also secure that date, right? Because if they go buy a new car and you haven’t filed and they just take the money out of another account, guess what? That’s still considered a marital asset marital liability, right? So you got to be really aware of those things.

Jeff 24:55
What about if? If they do that does the spouse own half of that car?

Doreen 25:01
Yes. If it’s before the date, but they also have half of the liability if it’s financed.

Doreen 25:07
Gotcha, right. Yeah. For sure.

Doreen 25:09
It works both ways. You know, you may not want that, you may want cash. Instead of a car, a car loses value. Cash is cash. So do you want your spouse to take cash and go purchase a vehicle? Or do you want 50% of cash or 50% of a vehicle?

Jeff 25:28
The way they depreciate?

Doreen 25:29
No. So it’s really important from that from a legal standpoint.

Jeff 25:33
Also I mean, if you get real dirty here and say that, you know, your spouse might be buying gifts for a boyfriend or a girlfriend or something like that. And you’re paying for half that gift.

Doreen 25:44
Yeah, well, in Florida, you can go back that’s a certain issue, legal issue. It’s called a dissipation, when you’re purchasing gifts for someone else, unconnected to the marriage, right? It’s like an affair, right? You can go back two years, okay. But it’s important that you stop that continuing, because it’s your burden of proof in Florida, so I gotta prove it. Where if you file now moving forward, and they’re spending money on this person, it’s a difference.

Jeff 26:12
It’s still like a CYA.

Doreen 26:14
So, so important.

Jeff 26:15
To cover your assets.

Doreen 26:19
The other thing is alimony. Right? So alimony in most states is is determined by by a formula, and part of that includes the number of years you’re married. So you want to to determine that you want to have a filing date, so that you have a date, because that’s the date that the marriage started the marriage. For the purposes of alimony. You know, if I filed today, that’s the date we’re looking at. That’s the number of years, right. So that’s important, too. And then again, talk to your lawyer about other advantages in your estate. The other thing is when you file first, you are on offense, legally. And I like being an offense. Offense is a good position to be in for our sports people out there, right? You like being on offense? I mean, right? Defense is doable, but offense is king, right? So being in that office fence position, filing, first, setting the tone of the record, setting forth to the issues for the court, putting that all into your pleading, and then they have to respond to that. So they now ours are responding.

Jeff 27:32
So you get to present your case first.

Doreen 27:34
Well, that’s the litigation part of it. So when you go to court for trial, which PS most cases don’t ever see a trial date, but, you know, for example, in my boutique litigation firm, more often than not we I mean, we do we do have cases that go to trial, right? So you get to present your case, first, you get to present your issues first, the other side goes, and then you get rebuttal. So it’s a beautiful position to it’s a better position to be in court wise, if you’re going to trial for sure. So why not? Why not? Right? Why not? There’s nothing. There’s no downside to filing first. It’s all upside generally, you know, depending on the facts and legal issues and law in your state.

Jeff 28:16
It might be it might be a little scary, because you’re taking that leap.

Doreen 28:20
Well, we talked about that.

Jeff 28:21
I know, I know. But there’s so many advantages.

Doreen 28:24
It’s not little scary, it’s scary. What’s this little thing?

Jeff 28:28
Well, if you’re looking at all the advantages, it’s kind of like the Benjamin Franklin clothes you write down all the reasons why yes, and all the reasons why no, and you compare your notes. If you see all of these advantages, mentally, and emotionally and of course, legally. Okay. It does better to file it does take the scary away a little bit.

Doreen 28:51
It does, it does for sure. The other thing is most court dockets. Most judges are extremely busy. You know, they have too many cases in South Florida, where I generally practice in Palm Beach County. These judges here each have about 1000 cases. So when you file you’re in line, you’re in docket, your cases there and they’re looking to move their cases, which is important when you’re trying to settle cases to you don’t want to be looking at hearing dates, you know, going out till next year, which by the way, is very common. We’re in the middle right now of the year. And if we’re looking at getting hearing dates, depending on how long the hearing is, we’re looking at some courts scheduling in 2025. So filing first you’re in line, you got yourself on the docket, the courts aware of your case, they want to move your case they’ll have case management conferences, you can start to to you know, get get things accomplished, right.

Jeff 29:53
Well, I do I do see another podcast where we talk about once you have filed and you do have have six months or seven months for the Court to hear your case?

Doreen 30:04
Well, it’s gonna be longer than that to go to trial.

Jeff 30:07
Do how do you, how do you live in that time zone?

Doreen 30:11
Timezone?

Jeff 30:12
Yeah, from the time you file that, the time that the case is heard, you know, you, you get temporary rock the boat. So I mean, that’s where, you’ve filed for divorce there’s now this going on in the household and I think that it’d be a great podcast for us to help our listeners determine what to do in that time period.

Doreen 30:33
Yeah, well, there’s a lot to do. But as far as what I call stability status quo. Most courts most jurisdictions, most states have laws and and rules of court that permit what they call temporary support, temporary, who’s going to get the house and stay in the house exclusive use and possession on temporary basis, temporary visitation, child’s support all that. So that it’s not what I call the Wild West. So that can be taken care of. But again, if you don’t file and you don’t get to court, if you need temporary relief, to get stability financially for the kids get someone in or out of the house, whatever it looks like, you’re just waiting longer to get down to that hearing.

Jeff 31:18
I guess that’s part of the what we said earlier about Life is short you get the plan and put your ducks in a row earlier.

Doreen 31:26
Correct. Always, always. So I would say most cases, it’s more advanced. There’s more advantages. Filing, just get the filing done. Right. There’s more advantages. But again, it’s unique to every single case, every single state, talk to your lawyers get your consultations understand and then make decisions.

Doreen 31:48
Okay, yeah. So that’s it.

Jeff 31:50
Sounds great to me.

Doreen 31:51
All right, everybody. So I hope that was helpful.

Jeff 31:54
And again, if you have any questions about coaching, please look us up at lad-coaching.com. That’s our website and discover and do a discovery call.

Doreen 32:10
What do you have to lose?

Jeff 32:11
I think we’ve said that a couple of times.

Doreen 32:13
I think a lot of people probably have fear. Because they you know that it means I’m talking to a life coach about divorce. Right? Well, first of all, we just don’t only talk about divorce, everything that we teach, all the skills that we teach about coaching can be applied to any situation. So right we focus in on divorces, right? But we focus in on people thinking about divorce, we taught focusing on life after divorce. But all the things that we teach all the yummy things that we teach, apply to everything in your life, right? It will change your life.

Jeff 32:51
Yeah, it could be I mean, you and I, we both get coached as well.

Doreen 32:55
You know what? I mean coaching saved me. It did I, you know, years ago, before I became a certified coach, I was at a point in my life where I was working crazy hours, the kids were, you know, I had accomplished all the things, all the things on paper that you would think I had a thriving practice three beautiful children, a great husband at the time, you know, blah, blah, blah, all the things on paper, right? It looked amazing, but I was so unhappy. And coaching saved me. Right? It helped me to figure out the happiness and how to get there, and how to really control my thoughts and so that I can arrive at a place that really makes sense.

Jeff 33:35
And one thing I can guarantee you, if you do schedule a call and we you and I speak I know you’re going to feel better. I promise you that you’re gonna feel better.

Doreen 33:47
Just like they come to see me for a consultation legally. Yeah, one of the things I say is, you know what, by the end of this call, or the end of the zoom, usually do them by zoom, you’re gonna feel so much better.

Jeff 33:58
Knowledge, knowledge can be powerful. You know, when you learn about what’s expected, or you learn of your powers within your mind powers within your thoughts.

Doreen 34:09
But you realize it is not as bad as you think it is. You know, our brains like had this false evidence appearing real that makes it lot worse. Like, like, I get comes up with all the things that are so horrible, but in reality, it’s really doable. You can do hard things.

Jeff 34:24
Yeah. Well, that was a great episode.

Doreen 34:26
So next week, we’re going to talk about consultation. Consultations with a lawyer so kinda leads from this one.

Jeff 34:33
Well, all right. Well, we’ll see you next week then.

Doreen 34:35
Absolutely. Everybody have a blessed week. Bye.

Jeff 34:47
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Jeff 35:02
Until next time, have an amazing rest of your day. And remember, yes, you can..

Doreen & Jeff 35:05
Have an amazing life after divorce.