Ep. 163 – How it all Started

Jeff 00:00
Hello everybody out there. Welcome to Episode 163 today, we’re going to do something a little bit different. We’re going to give you the ins and outs and how life after divorce coaching began. So if you’re ready, let’s get started.

Doreen 00:23
Are you ready to create a life that’s better than ever before? We are Doreen Yaffa and Jeff Wilson, and we are here to give you the strategies you need to create the life after divorce that you deserve and desire as partners, both in marriage and coaching, we use our expertise as well as our own personal experiences to help you make the next chapter of your life the best chapter.

Doreen 00:57
Hey Jeff.

Jeff 00:57
Hey Doreen, how are you?

Doreen 00:59
I’m good. I’m excited.

Jeff 01:00
Hey, you’re not giggling. Usually I say, hey Doreen, and you crack up. I haven’t seen you all day.

Doreen 01:08
Today is a special day because it’s our first episode that we are doing on YouTube, and it’s episode number 163, so do the math, we’ve been doing this for over three.

Jeff 01:21
Over three years now.

Doreen 01:22
Every single week, God willing, haven’t missed a beat. So we just decided that it would be fun to videotape these and put them on YouTube and, you know, let people see us if they chose to. Now, I will tell you it requires more, because now I have to get ready.

Jeff 01:40
Well, I had to get ready too.

Doreen 01:42
Yeah, but it’s different, like I have to do, you know, a little makeup. Gotta do the hair, a little bit gotta have all the things you know, us women, what we like to do. So, yeah.

Jeff 01:51
Well now, everybody can see you and see how beautiful you are, without the makeup, without the hair, without dressing up and everything. You’re still beautiful.

Doreen 02:01
Yeah, thank you, honey. We are videotaping, and we have always done our podcast from our home. And so basically we are seated now in the corner of our living area. We live on the water in Boca, Raton, Florida, and, you know, we basically are loving the South Florida lifestyle, so I’ve got to adjust my my microphone a little bit. It went down. Okay? Getting used to all this.

Jeff 02:32
Getting used to live video. Well, it’s not live, but we’re not going to edit this. You’re going to see us for who we are, so we’re going to talk about LADC, life after divorce coaching. Our marketing person gave us this idea. I thought it was a great idea to talk about how we began. You’re a board certified family attorney for over 30 years, and now you’re a life coach. So it’s, it’s almost, you know, if it makes a lot of sense once we explain it, but I think in most people be like, what? What’s a life coach? Most people don’t even know what a life coach is.

Doreen 03:12
I don’t know. I think, I think people know what a life coach is. Yeah, most people know. They think they know. They think they know, but we’re going to explain a little bit more. I think we should talk a little bit about our background. Okay, you know, because, again, we’ve been doing this for three years. So as you said, my name is Doreen Yaffa. I’m a family lawyer here in Boca Raton, Florida, and I’m board certified as well, and I’ve been practicing for over 30 years. So board certified means that I’m considered by Florida, the Florida Bar, as an expert in my field. And let’s see. I won’t tell you how old I am, but I just celebrated a birthday. And thank you, Jeff for taking me to Positano and all the things. We went on a cruise and all this. And then I have three children, girls who are all in their 20s. They’re ages 22, 24, 27 almost. And I coparented with my ex husband. We got divorced. I don’t know how many years ago. Maybe we’ve been married 15 years, so I got to go back maybe two, three years before that, so figure out whatever that looks like. And, and, yeah, and so I’ve always been practicing family law, mostly divorces, a lot of custody cases, and the law has evolved and changed. When I got divorced, it was important for me and my ex husband Sam, who were very friendly with, village and were very friendly to go coparent and on a very high level, you know, to really like each other as coparents and to be aligned. So yeah.

Jeff 04:56
An easy guy to like.

Doreen 04:58
He is a very easy guy to like. I’m very. Lucky in that way. I always say I have the best of both worlds. I have the most amazing father for my girls, and I have the most amazing husband myself.

Jeff 05:07
And that’s very true. Well, and I’m Jeff Wilson, and, you know, I have one son, Spencer. He’s, he’ll be 24 in December. I’ve been practicing a lot of different things over my life. I was a broadcaster, been in radio and television. I have a voice for, face for radio.

Doreen 05:35
But now everybody’s going to get on the video and check you out. People are coming by.

Jeff 05:42
This is live.

Doreen 05:43
This is live in our backyard. So that’s, that’s Kota and Zen. We have a Frenchie and a shepherd. And yeah. So as people walk by, sorry.

Jeff 05:56
Actually they wanted to become a part of the podcast.

Doreen 05:59
Oh, and there he is.

Jeff 06:02
Okay, so they’re guarding the fort. But anyway, after that, I got into martial arts as a hobby, and soon after that, started working in the martial arts school, and, you know, 18 years later, we opened up our own dojo, lifestyle martial arts. I’m currently a fourth degree black belt, and that you may say, how does that segue into coaching? But we’re going to get into that how it definitely segues right into life coaching. It does so. I’m also a real estate agent. I work in with Douglas Elliman and real estate investments and and we’re now working together and SplytUp, your new firm, law firm that we’re we’ll maybe get into a little bit later on. I think that’s a very interesting thing. Get down, young man. So how did you get into coaching from divorce work?

Doreen 07:04
Okay, from being a family lawyer?

Jeff 07:06
Family attorney, yeah.

Doreen 07:07
So I remember exactly where I was. I never told you this, by the way?

Jeff 07:11
That is one of the questions from our client. They want to know, how did you how did you get into life coaching, and you’re still a, you know, a very active divorce attorney.

Doreen 07:22
This is the fun part of what I do. I love coaching. I love it. I love doing the coaching. I love, I love doing my videos that are all over social media. So to come check me out there. And I love doing, you know, the podcast with you, and coaching. So how did I get into it? Okay, so you want the long story or the short version?

Jeff 07:44
Well, let’s do the medium version.

Doreen 07:46
Okay, medium version. So I remember specifically where I was. It was probably, I don’t know, two, I don’t know maybe 2011, 12, something like that. We were married, I think, and I was with the girls on a girls, meaning my girls, on a little ski vacation at Snowmass, Colorado, and we, I was, I got up early. I’m not a skier, by the way, so I would like spend time with them and watch them and try to ski, and that’s really something you don’t want to see. But in any event.

Jeff 08:21
Stop it, you do much better than you say you do.

Doreen 08:24
I’m very athletic. I would consider myself athletic, but not coordinated when it comes to skiing. But I certainly do try. I certainly do try.

Jeff 08:31
Your mic is fine. Leave it alone.

Doreen 08:33
Okay. Well, I’m just adjusting it a little bit. So I was downstairs in the lobby. It was like six o’clock in the morning. The girls were sleeping. I didn’t want to wake them up, and I was on my emails, and I just really felt lost in life. I felt like I had accomplished so much. I had my three girls. I was remarried, you know, I had a thriving practice. Had reached all those milestones, and I started looking up things on the internet and the Googles. And I came across the Life Coach School, and I joined it the self coaching scholar program that they have there, Brooke, and who we were both trained as life coaches through her amazing, amazing program. She’s the best in our opinion. So, and that’s I started doing it for myself. I started doing it for self discovery to figure out, like, why am I feeling this way? Why am I feeling like I’ve accomplished?

Jeff 09:26
You were coaching yourself.

Doreen 09:27
I was doing the self coaching Scholars Program, and as I started to dive into the program, which I think is closed now, okay, I’m still a member of that is I learned that a lot of what I was learning in there, which is about like the manual, which is basically rules we have for other people, these manuals of sort, that that they don’t even know about and that they’ll never live up to. And I learned about boundaries, how to set a real boundary, about how our thoughts, there’s a circumstance in life, like your divorce, it’s a circumstance. It’s just a fact of something that happened, right? The divorce happened, and then you have a thought about that, which turns into a feeling, which then turns into an action or an inaction, and then, and then your result. So it’s your circumstance,

Jeff 10:19
And that’s known as the model.

Doreen 10:22
So circumstance equals a thought, feeling action result or inaction, result. And I was like, Oh my gosh, this is the most amazing stuff. Like, why didn’t I learn this earlier? Where were they hiding this stuff, right? Seriously? I was like, everybody should know this, and they should teach this in school. And I became very passionate in learning it myself. As you know, I’m kind of an over once I get into something, I kind of get in all in, like, 101% so I said, You know what? I want to become a coach. I said, I really think this will help my divorce clients. And I started the coaching program, the certification program, which we both went through. And my clients became my guinea pigs. I opened up a woman’s, it was a woman’s only meeting every month at my office. It was live. This is before you know technology was as it is today, although then I think Brooke was already doing a lot of zoom, but I decided, no, I wanted to give this back to my clients. So I invited my clients to come, and we would meet once a week and once a month, sorry, and we would do a topic. So I would pick like boundaries, and I would kind of teach the coaching, and I would do my worksheets with them, and I would have them participate. And then they started bringing their friends. They asked if they could bring their friends that were going through divorce or thinking about divorce or in the middle of divorce, whatever after divorce. And I said, yeah. And it started to grow, and yeah. And then covid hit, and so we had to stop the in person meetings, and I continued with the podcast. And I don’t know what the timing is, but if you think we’ve been doing this since 2000 well, three years, right? And this is 2024 so you go back, you’re gonna see that the timing probably is about that. So that’s how I got into it.

Jeff 12:20
One thing. Well, they asked me too so I’m gonna get I’m gonna answer that question as well. But one thing I always remember, because, of course, we live together, and I hear you talking on the phone to your clients very often,

Doreen 12:38
but you’re not listening.

Jeff 12:39
I’m not listening to the content, of course, of course. However, a lot of it wasn’t about the law, a lot of it wasn’t about the case, and a lot of it wasn’t about divorce, right? Most of it was coaching. You were talking to them about how to get through it emotionally. You were talking to them about their their feelings. You know how to deal with their future. You were coaching them without even knowing you were coaching them, and this was before you were certified.

Doreen 13:09
I think so. I’ve always taken a passion as a lawyer of doing what I do, which is a counselor of law, taking that very seriously, and that, to me, doesn’t just mean getting my client the best legal result. That means to me, helping them to get out of their own way, to make good decisions, to be their sound champion when they can’t, and to help them to navigate through that emotion to what really is the business of law versus the emotion of law. So I think what you would hear a lot of times with my current legal clients is, and if you’re in Florida and you you know, you can come check me out at Yaffa Family Law Group and SplytUp A Law Firm. So I have two different firms, like you had said, is you’ll hear me say something like, Okay, I’m gonna put my lawyer hat on now, and I’d give you the legal advice, but then I’d also put on my coaching hat, and I’d say, Okay, I’m putting my coaching hat on. But let’s think about why we’re doing this. You know, more of the yes, I can do this, and yes, we can get this result, but now we have to look at what does that really mean? Right? Cost Benefit. And I think a lot of the cost benefit analysis that I do with my clients is that balance between the business of law, getting through it, and the emotion of why you’re doing something and how to get through this process quickly and on with your best life.

Jeff 14:40
You always, you always took pride in, you always took pride in that. You always took pride in it wasn’t just about divorce, it was also you really cared about your clients.

Doreen 14:51
I always did.

Jeff 14:51
I was, you know, but not everybody’s like that. Not every attorney’s like that.

Doreen 14:55
They’re not.

Jeff 14:55
And I think the that’s why this segue into. Coaching was so smooth for you, it was so easy, it was so natural, because you had already been doing it for many, many, many years, with maybe not even being realizing that it was life coaching.

Doreen 15:13
All right. So same question.

Jeff 15:14
Well, for me, I started in martial arts, 25 years ago, almost 30 years ago as well. And really, really loved more of the intrinsic benefits of the martial arts versus the kicking and the punching and the self defense. I’m constantly told, where I was constantly told, you know, we hope you never need it, right? You know, the martial arts study it, learning it, you hope you never need to use the self defense, right? But if you need, if you need it, it’s there if you have it, kind of like car insurance. You hope you never use it but you pay for it.

Doreen 15:54
Rxactly.

Jeff 15:56
However, what I quickly learned that martial arts also teaches the discipline, the confidence, goal setting, the respect, that is a big part of the martial arts. And I was using that daily. I was using that every single day of my life, and thriving and really enjoying that part of the martial arts, right? So when I went on to teach how to teach martial arts, and I was teaching other martial arts school owners, other program directors, how to sell the martial arts as a membership, right, right? It was based on the intrinsic benefits. That’s why we call the school lifestyle martial arts,

Doreen 16:47
Your school.

Jeff 16:47
Yes, so getting past the school, I’ve always missed it. Always, always missed being in front of the classroom, being in front of the kids, being in front of the adults and teaching, and instilling that, that faith of there’s something more out there to life than what we have right. No matter what you have, there’s more.

Doreen 17:15
And it’s not always what you have. And people think you have, like getting a new house having money. It’s really that, you know, that place that you you try to find, we all try to find where it’s like that. Okay, now I’m living the life that I’m supposed to live.

Jeff 17:34
Well, that’s the, that’s what I mean by intrinsic. It’s very it’s not external. It’s not what do you have in the driveway? It’s not the clothes or the watch you wear. It’s the intrinsic value. How I mean, you cannot put a value on confidence, right? So when I found out you were doing coaching, and I said, Well, let me I was thinking about it. And I said, Well, you know, I miss the martial arts so much. But if you take away the kicking, and you take away the punching and the blocks and the self defense, which you you’re telling me, I never, hopefully never going to use, you’re left with life coaching. Yeah, that’s all it is. It’s life coaching.

Doreen 18:17
Well, then how did you join forces with me? Because I had originally done the original name of the podcast was your amazing divorce, which a lot of, a lot of people questioned, some people like some, not so much. And why did I call it that? You may ask me.

Jeff 18:37
Why did you call it that?

Doreen 18:38
That is because you will find an amazing life after divorce. So I kind of was, it was a play on words. You know, your amazing divorce meaning amazing because you will have this new amazing chapter of your life afterwards.

Jeff 18:55
I always thought it was, I mean, I love the title, because it’s so in your face. It’s so it’s not just in your face. I’m trying to think of the words to describe it, but it’s so unexpected. It’s unexpected because everybody you know, what’s the first thing they say when they say, I hear you’re going through a divorce, oh, I’m so sorry to hear that. You must be devastated, right? Well, in reality, it’s probably the greatest thing, and it’s probably going to be the best part of your life, the head the next chapter.

Doreen 19:34
So how? So for those of you watching the video, this is blue. Blue just decided to come.

Jeff 19:40
Who is this?

Doreen 19:42
Oh my goodness, I just called him blue.

Jeff 19:45
Blue is our other Frenchie that passed, she’s very close to blue.

Doreen 19:51
This is Zen.

Jeff 19:52
This is Zen. He is our Zen.

Doreen 19:55
He’s not very zen, though. So come see us over there if you want to meet Zen.

Jeff 20:02
We talked we had talked about, you know, me getting certified as a coach, right? Because I talked to you about how much I miss coaching and teaching, right, and I would discuss coaching with you. And we had some great conversations about it, and some deep conversations about it, and I think conversations that helped our marriage, about it? So I said, You know what? You’re right. I was in a place in my life where I needed something new, and so I did it. I went to the Life Coach School, got certified, certifiable, certifiable, school, certifiable. And we said, Let’s open up another business.

Doreen 20:50
No, but we just changed the name and from amazing divorce. So let’s move on. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Jeff 21:00
No, I was just gonna say there was another question from another client that wanted to know the difference between life coaching and therapy or going to see a therapist. How would that be different?

Doreen 21:13
You want me to answer?

Jeff 21:14
Yeah, that’s, you have a better answer for that one.

Doreen 21:16
I don’t, Jeff is just as good of answer as me.

Jeff 21:20
You’re so kind. That was called edifying.

Doreen 21:25
Edifying.

Jeff 21:26
Yeah, edifying means, you know, she’s been practicing for over 30 years. She’s board certified. She’s an amazing, let’s hear it for Doreen Yaffa, so it’s edifying.

Doreen 21:37
Thank you.

Jeff 21:37
So go ahead.

Doreen 21:38
Thank you, honey. Okay, so, okay, therapy. Now, I’m not a therapist, but this is based on our research. Looks at the individual and looks at where they are.

Jeff 21:52
I don’t think they can see you right now, I think Zen’s in the way. Why don’t you put him down so they could see, see you? Camera.

Doreen 21:59
He’ll go down in a minute go down. Zen, you know, he’s very stubborn.

Jeff 22:03
I know, sit there all day.

Doreen 22:05
It looks at where you are today, when you interview, when you have your sessions, your with the therapist, looking mostly backwards. Why did I get to where I am here today, right? And my diagnose certain conditions might not, it depends, and will treat those conditions generally, through therapy, psychotherapy and potentially medication, through through a psychiatrist. And really is working backwards, okay? And there’s a there’s a place for that. You know, a lot of people need therapy, and people that need therapy don’t always get therapy. But should you know we’re big advocates of taking care of your mental emotional health just as much as you would take care of your physical health and your well being. From a physical standpoint, life coaching looks at where you are today, but we’re really looking at tomorrow and forward. We’re looking at what are where are we? How are we thinking about things that’s affecting the results in our life? Because we teach, at least in our practice, it is your thoughts that control everything, and when you understand and can clearly see your thoughts, hear them, know them, recognize them, because, as you like to say, you have 60,000 plus thoughts more or less a day, just on happen, it’s on autopilot, right that you can then carve your thoughts in a way that you transition them to thoughts that serve you, give you the feelings that that energize you, happiness, motivation, incentive, courage, as you said, all the things that then help you to create the action momentum in your life, to now create the goals that you want, and we’re really goal setters. I think of us as goal setters. What do you want, and how are we going to get there? Now, when we coach somebody as life coaches, we’re first dealing with where are they emotionally, how? And that’s where our program comes in. You know, the Thrive After Divorce program really dives deep into where are you now? There’s videos and worksheets and one on one sessions, and they all work in combination. It’s a deep dive, a real deep dive. We start there, and then we work on goal setting, which is my favorite part.

Jeff 24:34
And uncovering what it is that you really want.

Doreen 24:38
Absolutely.

Jeff 24:39
I think that’s a very, very important thing, because a lot of people go through life on autopilot and not knowing what they want. How often do you hear I don’t know?

Doreen 24:50
You know, what’s really interesting is that I think, and I say this often, that divorce is is a kick in the tush. It’s usually a kick in the tush that says. Wake up, what are you doing with the rest of your life? Just like a death would or some other or an illness, something horrible, something like that, sometimes happens where you have to then say, okay, thank you. I now need to slow down and figure out where I’m going, and that’s what we do.

Jeff 25:19
I had a client today, and they looked at the divorce as a fresh canvas, yes, and somebody just handed her a palette filled with paint. That’s all it is, and she could paint her own painting of what she wants her life to look like. And I thought that was a great way to explain it. And it really, really set tone, set tone for what we’re going to be talking about in the months.

Doreen 25:53
And, you know, and my only suggestion there would be to really figure out if they’ve worked on the hard stuff first, right? Because I think a lot of us, when we’re going through divorce, we want to jump from feeling yucky and all those bad emotions, and I could name them all, loneliness, sadness, anger, regret, all of things. I think you first have to really figure that out, like, where are your feelings right now? Have you dealt with all the stages of divorce, the emotions, and have you recognized and reflected you got to do that first. A lot of times people will jump into just moving forward, like, I’m good, I’m good, I’m ready. Like, let’s just start creating this new life. And we’re like, wait a second. Slow down. Slow the horses down.

Jeff 26:42
I just thought of a client, but I’m not going to bring them up right now.

Doreen 26:46
We live on the water, so I think a boat’s going by right now. Oh, a jet ski. Jet Ski.

Jeff 26:52
And okay. So back to LA DC, life after divorce, coaching, because we’re getting a little bit into coaching. And I want to get back to what a client asks another question different client, what’s it like to work together with your husband and your wife?

Doreen 27:09
Well, why don’t you answer that one?

Jeff 27:10
Oh, okay, well, it can be challenging and it can be beautiful.

Doreen 27:17
Like everything in life.

Jeff 27:18
Like everything in life.

Doreen 27:19
There’s a good and a bad.

Jeff 27:21
When you are working with somebody every day. You can have challenges with your boss. You can have challenges with a co worker. But when you very much like coparenting and coworking with you have the correct goals in mind, and you know that to be able to accomplish what you want to accomplish, you have to gel, you have to sink, you have to listen versus wanting to be heard. And I think that’s why we have such successful time together, because of what well, because I listen to every word you say, and I say yes, ma’am.

Doreen 28:01
It sounds like a beautiful philosophy, but let’s just talk about it.

Jeff 28:06
Well, you know, I’ll let you do that part.

Doreen 28:08
I think it just comes easy. I mean, we are a relationship that from the very beginning, we got married in four months. I mean, I would not recommend that. I always tell that disclaimer, it’s 15 years almost later, and at least as far as I know, as far as I’m concerned, it’s been mostly a really good relationship. We have a lot of fun together. We enjoy each other’s company. We spend a lot of time to get a lot of time together. But working together is fun. Yeah, you know, it’s something that for us just works, not for every couple.

Jeff 28:43
Well, I think we love work. I mean, we I think we love our businesses. We love being in control of our lives, in control of our income, in control of our employees that work for us and work with us, and we call them our team, not our staff or our team. And I think that when you work with somebody that you’re truly in love with doing what you love, you’re living the dream.

Doreen 29:13
Yeah, but not everybody has that, sweetie.

Jeff 29:16
And that’s the other reason why I’m so happy and love it, because you count your blessings, and when you say when you lose somebody, like I just lost my mom a few weeks ago, or you’re going through a divorce and you’re having something new in your life, you have to cherish the special moments. So when I’m sitting back and watching you run your meeting or giving your opinion as something, I don’t look at it as just, you’re the boss, and I’m learning something. I look at it, wow, that’s my wife, and she’s amazing.

Doreen 29:52
Well, that’s really sweet.

Jeff 29:53
And I’m not saying it just to be sweet, even though I am, but it’s why I think we’re so successful working together in two three businesses that we have.

Doreen 30:07
So let’s talk one more question. How does coaching work? Like? What does it look like if you actually get involved in it? What does it look like?

Jeff 30:18
Well, I always take the first session with a client to understand where they’re coming from, where they’re at, like we said, about their where they’re at emotionally, where they’re at with their feelings, at their with their divorce, and what they truly want. And then this is done by zoom call. It’s about a 45 minute to 50 minute call through zoom, and we meet once a week at usually the same time, same day, and we basically will attack those wants and kind of figure out how their thoughts are in relation to those wants.

Doreen 30:59
And so really, it’s that foundation of thought work with really understanding the model first as the foundation that your circumstance is creating a thought, feeling, action, result, and then really understanding that with some real heavy intensity on some level, and then diving in and we like, I think the best way is when we have clients that focus in on one or two issues, or goals at the most, right, big, and some of the goals could be things like how to have a better relationship with your ex. It could be basically like how to co parent. It could be working on your relationship with your child. It could be things like losing weight, getting in shape. It can be starting a new business. It can be moving to a new town. It can be so many things. So really, the possibilities are endless as to what it looks like, and we just keep going. I think the key though to life coaching, but it’s a key with everything, isn’t it? Is consistency. You gotta show up for the meetings. You gotta do it on a regular basis, and you have to put the time in.

Jeff 32:11
And have an open mind.

Doreen 32:13
And if you do all those things, the bottom line is you’re gonna achieve amazing greatness in your life and really be at a place where you have such an advantage over others, not to be mean spirited, but because you now know, like, how the brain operates on a level that can get you real success.

Jeff 32:30
It’s almost like the secret. It gives you a little bit of insight to how to really control your thoughts and you can have the outcome that you want, if you really, really want it bad enough. And then there’s the true word about commitment and you’re committed.

Doreen 32:49
That’s with everything, right? Yeah. Isn’t that true with everything in life? It’s true stop to commit, all right? So if they want to have a compliment, if you want to try it out, no strings attached. Promise we’re super easygoing people. Just you can go onto our website, which is www.lad-coaching.com and you can book a complimentary coaching session. I think it’s for 30 minutes?

Jeff 33:21
30 minutes.

Doreen 33:22
Right away, get your coaching in and try it out. You know, what do you have to lose? Look, I needed all the support I could get when I was going through my divorce, and it was relatively simple. So I can’t imagine anyone not having these tools in place and using them and taking advantage of that.

Jeff 33:42
Some of my most successful clients at one time not only didn’t know what coaching was, but they didn’t. They thought it was a little hokey.

Doreen 33:54
Yeah, yeah.

Jeff 33:58
I had nothing to lose, so I tried it out, and we had a great conversation and tremendous results. And again, back to the martial arts. That’s what I really, really love to do, is talk about results, and really, really see the results that I want with my clients.

Doreen 34:19
Is that the same is very, very?

Jeff 34:21
It almost equals one truly.

Doreen 34:25
All right, everyone listen. Thank you for putting up with us during the somewhat disruptive podcast and video podcast episode, it’s our first. It’s our first. So it’s a little, you know, it’s a little noisy and the dogs are running around, but this is us, and so this is where we’re doing the podcast, in our own home. We’re welcoming you in, and we really look forward to hearing from you, and we hope you reach out. And that’s it.

Jeff 34:53
Till next week.

Doreen 34:54
Bye everyone. Have a good one.

Jeff 34:56
Bye.

Jeff 35:04
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Doreen 35:27
Until next time, have an amazing rest of your day and remember, yes, you can have an amazing life after divorce.